Curse

fenix · Jun 06, 2007, 08:54 AM // 08:54

Recently RA and HA seem to have turned into gimmick-fests filled with bad players. It used to be ok, but as of late all the districts are either empty, or filled with scrubs...

Is it just me, or is it the same for everyone else?

Edit: I was inspired to post this by the Deep/Urgoz filled with noobs thread. I think Riverside Inn should equally represent PvP and PvE.

RhanoctJocosa · Jun 06, 2007, 08:57 AM // 08:57

You've got to remember a lot of good players got fed up with GW and quit. So yeah, a lot of scrubs and such.

However, international RA is pretty good.

Mr. G · Jun 06, 2007, 08:59 AM // 08:59

Mesmerway FTW!

just you wait...update...

.defekt · Jun 06, 2007, 09:03 AM // 09:03

I think the skill standards of players in Random Arenas is quite low. There are reasons for this, though.

RA is where people are first introduced to PvP. So you get a lot of PvErs playing for the first time.

A lot of build testing goes on in RA, so sometimes its not just the player, but its the build being played.

People play classes for the first time and test in RA. A warrior could for the first time create a monk PvP character and give it a go, so obviously they are not going to be good.

allience · Jun 06, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14

i dunno about RA, but HA is definatelly filled with noobs WHEN it's filled... most of the times it's only 2 districts.
i suppose most of these scrubs are the players who got their deers or wolfs on the double lame event. in any case i noticed that the new rank9 players are rly bad.

i tried to pug a few times and let me tell u, it's better to just go afk instead. time well spent in front of the tv.

even the old iwayers are skilled players compared with the newly ranked of today.

Water Angel · Jun 06, 2007, 09:15 AM // 09:15

ra is getitng worse and worse.more and more idiots thinin they are too pro so leave if dun liek group before even start.or people considering they so dumb they cant win w/o monk so leave...patetic.

ha at opposit is getting better imo.easier find a ranked 7/10+ pug than before.and more noobs to kill = more fame so why wud i complain...

RhanoctJocosa · Jun 06, 2007, 09:29 AM // 09:29

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Originally Posted by Water Angel

ra is getitng worse and worse.more and more idiots thinin they are too pro so leave if dun liek group before even start.or people considering they so dumb they cant win w/o monk so leave...patetic.

ha at opposit is getting better imo.easier find a ranked 7/10+ pug than before.and more noobs to kill = more fame so why wud i complain...

There's another thread about this, but you really need to stop bitching about it and understand why people leave.

- Teams with no monks require a lot of skill on the part of each player, and when paired with 3 random players that's not always assured and hence leaving to find a team with a monk often gets you more wins/time with less headaches.

- Teams with two monks are often boring, and take much longer to score kills - to the point where you could be going for 20+ minutes against a similar team.

- Being paired with a bad player (build or player skill) means you're ultimately fighting the match 3 vs. 4, which takes longer and obviously puts you at a disadvantage.

- Your build might not work well with your team

So yeah, QQ LESS PLZ

PS: Go easy on me in Tombs with your R7/10++++ teams please. Thx man

fenix · Jun 06, 2007, 09:32 AM // 09:32

I personally think that one reason that bad players are in RA/HA, is that (in HA) a lot of good players left when they made it 8v8 with stupid mechanics, and people (in RA) tend to test stuff, or just not care. RA is also the starting point in PvP for new players, so that would be part of it (I think).

Besaids · Jun 06, 2007, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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Originally Posted by fenix

I personally think that one reason that bad players are in RA/HA, is that (in HA) a lot of good players left when they made it 8v8 with stupid mechanics, and people (in RA) tend to test stuff, or just not care. RA is also the starting point in PvP for new players, so that would be part of it (I think).

Can be the start point but you see more farmers than people testing, that's why there's always such a large number compared to TA, RA gives the lower Gladiator ranked people to get it up so that they can eventually get some decent TA teams but some just tend to overfarm RA. I don't find RA fun, it's just a frustration hole, getting teamed up with random people gets tired after a while of going at it and having to fight anti-you gets old soon because you're only playing with 8 skills, aka can't depend on the whole team skills. Basicly RA is just a farmhole to who can't be arsed to get a team at TA or can't or people who just can't be bothered getting a team elsewhere in PvP.

As for HA it's all about gimmick play, "You run it? I run it too!".

artay · Jun 06, 2007, 09:54 AM // 09:54

*bites onto flamebait*
everyone gotta start somewhere

People keep complaining about these cheap builds, why don't they make a build that beats gimmiks? Don't waste you time here! And if it works maybe more people would play your build! Oh wait that would make it a gimmik.... hmmm I see how this started.

allience · Jun 06, 2007, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by fenix

I personally think that one reason that bad players are in RA/HA, is that (in HA) a lot of good players left when they made it 8v8 with stupid mechanics, and people (in RA) tend to test stuff, or just not care. RA is also the starting point in PvP for new players, so that would be part of it (I think).

nah, a lot of ppl left when they made it 6v6. then at 8v8 more came back but then left when they saw the gay mechanics such as kill count.

u guys can argue as much as u like but the new hoh conditions yeld less fame and more ganking. many already high rank players left to gvg or other games. this leaves HA with newer players which are no comment for the most part. since they got their fame with the week-ends and the current spike or thumper gimmiks, you can't expect much from them. i'm not saying old players don't play gimmiks. but theres a difference between a player who has 10k and all of it is made from gimmik and one who has 20k and 5k is made from gimmik.

as for RA, well i don't remember a time when it was good. imo it's just an arena to mess around when bored or if you're a new player.

arcanemacabre · Jun 06, 2007, 09:56 AM // 09:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

I personally think that one reason that bad players are in RA/HA, is that (in HA) a lot of good players left when they made it 8v8 with stupid mechanics, and people (in RA) tend to test stuff, or just not care. RA is also the starting point in PvP for new players, so that would be part of it (I think).

So wait, are you complaining about "newbs" or "noobs"?

fenix · Jun 06, 2007, 09:59 AM // 09:59

Neither, in HA it's a case of bad players being left, as the real good ones quit, and RA has either people messing around, or new players. So it isn't a case of complaining about noobs or newbs, it's a little of both.

arcanemacabre · Jun 06, 2007, 10:04 AM // 10:04

Well I'm just saying I don't see anything wrong with newbs anywhere, PvE or PvP. Obviously, a "noob" has a tendency to not learn from their mistakes and do more barking than biting, which is a pain, and I agree.

ryanryanryan0310 · Jun 06, 2007, 10:04 AM // 10:04

Whats a noob?
I think it's new players trying out RA/TA and older players messing around..

fenix · Jun 06, 2007, 10:05 AM // 10:05

Exactly!

I started off bad, sure, but now it's different. The players you see aren't just 'new', they're just...bad. There of course is exceptions, but there are a LOT of bad players, that only ever gimmick in pugs. There's no more decent balanced teams except for a few during peak times.

If you look at the players who are in HA, you'll understand, they're pretty terrible.

Faer · Jun 06, 2007, 10:13 AM // 10:13

Taught some of the [MEEP] Alliance to Paraway during the infamous Noob Hours of HA, and am now busy sitting around waiting for Thom and Ensign to get this Urgoz Hard Mode PuG together.

Damn, boy! I guess that puts me pretty high on the noob meter for the week!

TheRaven · Jun 06, 2007, 10:18 AM // 10:18

Well, I unlocked HA for the first time last week. So I'm probably one of the newbies in there that you're complaining about. I went with my guild last week and we unlocked the arena for me.

I really enjoyed it and I even earned 4 fame pts with my guild. It was really a good feeling to finally have a chance to play there and to start learning the PvP side of the game.

So, I went back without my guild and as soon as I zoned in I got an invite for a team. I accepted. I was actually happy just to get an invite. I'd heard all the HA horror stories about never finding teams unless your rank 5+.

I think this was the worse team ever. I pinged my build, which was Ele SF and asked the other ele on the team to ping his. He wouldn't. He finally said he didn't know how and he eventually left the team. A 3rd ele pinged and I was shocked to see no elites. He had Flare, Firestorm and some water spells. The warrior also pinged and again, no elite. He had mainly monk skills and a few axe stuff.

Well, I should have left, but I figured it was just for fun anyways. The leader whispered me and said "wow, what a bunch of noobs". I tried to whisper back to him, but he was "offline". I said several times in team chat that he should co-ordinate everyone's builds here since he was leader. He wouldn't and warped in immediately. Needless to say, the Zaishen owned us.

I was really surprised. I expected a better caliber of player in HA. These guys weren't fit for PvE areas, let alone the high standard needed in HA.

As far as the OP's complaint goes, the noobs really should help you. In HA you can form your own team and if you're the leader you can weed out the noobs from your team. They'll all be left on the opposite team.

fenix · Jun 06, 2007, 10:25 AM // 10:25

Those are the teams I'm talking about TheRaven. The ones that have NO IDEA, and bring really bad bars. Players like yourself, who bring decent bars, and run with guildies are fine, it's just the players who have no idea...who just grab 8 skills and go. It's as if there's a "Randomise" button on the template window :P

Kas · Jun 06, 2007, 10:30 AM // 10:30

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Originally Posted by fenix

Recently RA and HA seem to have turned into gimmick-fests filled with bad players. It used to be ok, but as of late all the districts are either empty, or filled with scrubs...

Recently? You mean this status hasn't been around for almost two years?